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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:22 am 
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TheBatman wrote:
MAKE MONEY THROUGH PIRACY

TOTALLY MAKES SENSE

RIGHT

Well, Pirates do it :coookieesssss:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:55 am 
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I can't quite figure out if S1eepy is saying piracy generates profits for the pirate-y side of things (ie, ads on ThePirateBay or something), or for the producers of content. I'm guessing he means the second -

Piracy isn't directly profitable, though there is the argument that through piracy, potential new customers learn about your product, then buy it later. There have been studies that show pirates are actually pretty good at being customers, though eventually.

But, I don't think it's fair to compare piracy to NetFlix, moral/ethical issues aside, let's look at this at a strictly technical/ease-of-use level:

Piracy: Requires some level of forethought (ie, I want to download this and watch it later)
NetFlix: No forethought required, just search n' stream

Piracy: Viewing needs a fair level of setup initially, requires a pretty complex level of setup if you wanna have nice features like a remote and so-on.
NetFlix: Buy a player, plug it in, go.

Piracy: Obtaining requires a fair level of setup initially - getting a torrent/usenet client, seeking content, etc
NetFlix: Again, plug it in and go.

NetFlix: Once you stop services, that's it. You've spent money and have nothing to show for it now.
Piracy: You get to keep shit.

NetFlix: DRM, limited device support
Piracy: If you can figure out how to get it to play, you're good to go.

So, I dunno. NetFlix is definitely far easier than piracy for John Q Driveway. That's the one thing about streaming services that kinda sucks - there's no product for you to actually keep. Once you stop sending them money, it goes away. But on the other hand, depending on your viewing habits, that may wind up being cheaper than legitimately buying every single thing you watch.

On the other hand, there is an advantage to not owning a whole bunch of movies - when a newer/better format comes out, you don't really have to give a shit. Not that most people are going to re-buy a movie on Bluray that they already own on DVD, but with NetFlix, it's like, "oh, x studio just released an HD version of some movie? Here you go customer, no thought on your part."

Everything has pros/cons.

(I choose piracy, as an aside. Sickbeard + SabNZBD + XBMC == :awesome: )

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:23 pm 
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i meant it both ways, though more so the latter.

through ads the sites pay for their own upkeep and generate an excess the more successful the site is.

the creators of the media themselves are exposed to a far greater number potential customers than simple word of mouth. because it is at no cost to the individual they are more likely to give it a look. statistically speaking people enjoy owning things that they like(Bats; i'm looking at you). piracy allows someone to preview media prior to purchase. we all know how much buying a bad movie or game sucks. piracy allows people to allocate their money in a way that is more true to the interests of the individual; helping to cultivate what they interest. as opposed to just viewing some canned footage and being essentially forced to take a gamble on the media. if you don't like it you've supported something of which your interests do not approve of.

furthermore there is the issue of people who can not afford the media in question. they weren't going to purchase it anyway without the means to. this does not subtract from the developers income as it was never there for them to obtain in the first place. however, the developer does get free advertising through the individual should they enjoy it. i know if i pirate a game and i really enjoy it; i'll tell all of my friends about it; suggesting a purchase on the grounds of "its worth it". when i have the currency available to me i do make that purchase myself. it stands to reason that piracy is more beneficial for developers who are more in line with the interests of individuals and far less beneficial for companies just looking to shovel out media to make a buck. piracy levels the playing field between the big guy and the little guy. its free advertising that doesn't manipulate the consumer into thinking they're getting something that they're not.

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i know its not necessarily tv related, but it is relevant to piracy. here's what Team Meat has to say about it:
http://pc.ign.com/articles/118/1184546p1.html

embracing piracy puts development focus on actually making a good product; not laboring away, wasting countless hours trying to secure the media and hype it up so that people will be 'tricked' into buying it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:22 am 
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I wanna change my name to John Q Driveway now.

I only pirate if i absolutely have too. Take TrueBlood, its not available on Netflix, so we had to DL it. But for everything else I wanna watch, Netflix has it there for me with a nice warm towel and andes mint just waiting for me. It even scratches my back as I lie there on the couch watching all the episodes of Voyager that dont have to take up space on my computer.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:43 am 
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The way I figure it is, I could either pirate all this stuff off the internet, and get shit quality, or I can pay a fee and have a company host all this content for me (more room for internet porn and video games on my hard drive, amirite?), and it'll always be high quality content.

Plus, I'm considering the 20 bucks a month like this. Right now, I'm paying about 10 a month. In the old days, if I went to blockbuster, and I rented a movie I didn't like: tough shit. I paid 6+ dollars just to even give it a shot. I could go back and claim that the DVD was scratched or something, but there was no gaurentee I'd get a refund or get to pick something else out. For about the price of about 4 DVD rentals a month, I can pick from a huge ass library of all sorts of things, and have them show up on my TV. and if I don't like it? I can back out of it, and watch something else. There's no penalty for me trying out something new, because it's a flat rate per month.

I'll probably keep the DVD queue, too. Now that I've resolved to just watch whatever the fuck I want from the DVDs and not wait around for someone else to watch it, too. I let Daria Season 1 sit around for like 2 months, because I thought someone else around the house was watching it, and they weren't. So, I'm not gonna be doing that anymore. In the last week, I returned a DVD, got a new one, watched it, and returned it again. I should be getting another movie tomorrow (actually, in about 3 hours, cuz I'm being stupid and staying up too late again), and when I'm finished with that, I'll check out the DVD queue and pick another.

Oh, did I mention how fucking speedy the DVD queue is? It's beautiful. About a day for my outgoing DVD to reach them, and about a day for them to send one back to me.

Netflix runs a great service. If they were changing over 20, though, I'd probably considering cancelling the DVD queue, but for 20 bucks? You can't beat it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:58 am 
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Yeah, S1eepy, I think you got derailed a bit there (you and I tend to do that), we started talking about whether piracy is profitable, which is not what I really wanted to discuss. I wanna keep this thread about NetFlix raising it's prices, not software piracy as a business model.

Like I said, I don't understand this rage about NetFlix raising prices - it's still a much better deal than renting individual movies/tv shows, buying individual movies/tv shows, and cable (well, everything is a better deal than cable). It kinda sucks that they did it, but I'd be angry at the TV Distributors/MPAA/WGA/SAG/etc, since they're the ones pretty much forcing this upon NetFlix.

Like I said, though, NetFlix is the best thing out there for John Q Driveway.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:12 pm 
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Napalm Man wrote:
Yeah, S1eepy, I think you got derailed a bit there (you and I tend to do that), we started talking about whether piracy is profitable, which is not what I really wanted to discuss. I wanna keep this thread about NetFlix raising it's prices, not software piracy as a business model.

Like I said, I don't understand this rage about NetFlix raising prices - it's still a much better deal than renting individual movies/tv shows, buying individual movies/tv shows, and cable (well, everything is a better deal than cable). It kinda sucks that they did it, but I'd be angry at the TV Distributors/MPAA/WGA/SAG/etc, since they're the ones pretty much forcing this upon NetFlix.

Like I said, though, NetFlix is the best thing out there for John Q Driveway.


which is why my new name is Johnny Quincy Driveway (I enjoy Netflix!)

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:50 pm 
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Nameless88 wrote:
The way I figure it is, I could either pirate all this stuff off the internet, and get shit quality, or I can pay a fee


wh...what

do you not know how to properly pirate things or something

BD rips all day err day son

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*shrugs* no matter how "push button" a service seems to be i can always do it faster provided its on my hdd. if not then i have to wait about 45 minutes for a full season to finish downloading. then i just dump it in a play list and spank the space bar as needed.

+1 to bats. i never have to put up with bad quality unless its something exceedingly rare. in which case i probably wouldn't even be able to find a disc media for it anyway.

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I've had a problem with shitty quality stuff. Dexter Season 5, half of the episodes in my torrent were audio only. It was terrible.

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Nameless88 wrote:
I've had a problem with shitty quality stuff. Dexter Season 5, half of the episodes in my torrent were audio only. It was terrible.


Usenet son. Learn it. Love it.

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I also prefer to watch stuff on my large TV, instead of my small monitor. I know I can network my consoles to find the videos on my computer and stream that way, but most of the time it can never find the files.

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I also prefer to watch stuff on my large TV, instead of my small monitor. I know I can network my consoles to find the videos on my computer and stream that way, but most of the time it can never find the files.


vga cable son

or hdmi

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:37 am 
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Crashman wrote:
I also prefer to watch stuff on my large TV, instead of my small monitor. I know I can network my consoles to find the videos on my computer and stream that way, but most of the time it can never find the files.


I also prefer the TV over the monitor. Also, I prefer watching on a couch instead of a computer chair, and I'd rather use a remote than a keyboard/mouse - those are much bigger deals to me than the screen size.

My answer: I bought an Acer Revo 1600 for about $200 and installed XBMC on it, and have it hooked up to the TV via HDMI.

My main computer shares files out, and XBMC finds them and displays it all in a nice interface, meant to be used on a TV with a remote, it downloads metadata on tv shows and movies, etc.

My latest improvement: I installed SickBeard and sabNZBd+ on my main computer.

SickBeard searches usenet for my favorite tv shows, sabNZBd+ downloads them. Once the download is done, SickBeard moves it to the right folder, makes sure the file is named in a sane way, and tells XBMC to add it to the library.

So, the net result? My computer automatically downloads my favorite TV shows, in HD, usually within an hour or two of the show airing, and my XBMC machine gets updated, so I just come home, choose 'Most Recent,' and bam. I'm good to go.

It is possible for piracy to be super convenient, it just takes a bit of setup at first.

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Party Down FTMFW. I should really get around to finishing that show.

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